What We Do Not Know
Daya Bai, eighteenth century, disciple of Charandas, and one of the two women the previous two entries describe.
And this section is about the size of the gap.
What is actually documented
Almost nothing.
We have her verses. We have the Charandasi tradition's statement that she was Charandas's disciple. We have her being mentioned alongside Sahjo Bai in virtually every account of the panth.
And that is the list.
We do not have a birth date, a death date, a birthplace anybody agrees on, a family, a caste with certainty, or any account of what she did between the events.
Her origins are variously placed in the Braj country, in Rajasthan and in the Delhi region depending on the source, and the relationship reported between her and Sahjo Bai varies from sisters to relatives to unrelated fellow disciples.
Which means everything anybody tells you confidently about her life is an inference.
The Sahjo comparison
And this is worth stating rather than skirting.
Sahjo Bai is always named first.
In the tradition, in the anthologies, in the scholarship, in the introductions. Sahjo Bai and Daya Bai, in that order, every time, and Daya Bai is very frequently given a paragraph where Sahjo gets a chapter.
The reasons are not mysterious.
Sahjo has a story. The wedding she walked out of is narratable in one sentence. She has the famous verse, which everybody in north India can quote. And she has a documented relationship to Charandas, as his niece, which places her in a household.
Daya Bai has verses.
Which is a great deal and is not a biography, and a figure with no biography loses to a figure with one every single time, regardless of what they wrote.
The general observation
Two women were the principal disciples of an eighteenth century Delhi sant, which is remarkable, and the tradition preserved both of them, which is more remarkable still.
And it preserved one of them better.
And the pattern is worth naming because it recurs: when a tradition remembers two women, it remembers the one whose life makes a story and lets the other one thin out into a name attached to a text.
Which this series has now recorded in several forms. Panbai is named in fifty two bhajans and has no life at all. Salabega's mother produced the poet and has no name that anybody uses. The woman on the wall in the Krishnananda entry is the model for the most reproduced sacred image in eastern India and nobody wrote down who she was.
And the response is not to invent the missing biography.
It is to read the text, which is the only thing she actually left, and which is substantial.
The Daya Bodh
What she wrote
- Daya Bodh, her main work, a systematic instruction text of over a hundred verses
- Vinay Malika, a garland of supplication, which is the lyrical collection and is where the best of her is
- A body of pads in Braj Hindi with Rajasthani inflection
How she differs from Sahjo Bai
And the difference is clear enough to state in one line.
Sahjo argues. Daya grieves.
Sahjo Bai's famous verse is a ledger. It sets out a case, item by item, and delivers a verdict, and the tone is confident and slightly combative and occasionally funny.
Daya Bai's register is elegiac. Her subject is transience, and she returns to it constantly and from every direction, and she is not making an argument about it. She is looking at it.
What she is looking at
The body coming apart.
This is her central image and she is unflinching about it. The body is a house that will fall down. The teeth go, the eyes go, the strength goes. What you are maintaining so carefully is going to be a heap, and you know it, and you are maintaining it anyway.
And she is not being morbid. She is being accurate, in the way the tradition's vairagya literature is accurate, and she is saying it to people who were watching it happen in their own households.
The world as a fair
A recurring image in the northern sants and hers is among the better ones.
The world is a mela. It is loud, it is crowded, there is a great deal to look at, and it closes. The stalls come down, the people go home, and by the following week the ground is empty.
And the traveller who forgot they were at a fair and started building is the subject.
On women
And this is where she is most worth reading now.
Daya Bai writes about the condition of women, and she does it without special pleading and without making it the subject.
It appears as observation. The woman whose life is spent in a house she does not own. The one who is a daughter, then a wife, then a mother, and never asked. The one whose devotion has to fit into the hours after the work.
She is writing from inside it, and the note is not complaint but recognition, and a woman reading her in 2026 will find it recognisable in a way that a great deal of eighteenth century devotional writing is not.
Her instruction
Compressed, and it is the standard nirguna set with her own emphasis.
- Satsang, the company of practitioners, which she treats as the single most decisive external factor
- The name, kept going
- The guru, and she is closer to Sahjo Bai on this than on anything else
- Not accumulating, because of the fair
- Doing it now, because of the body
And one thing that is more hers than Sahjo's: a repeated insistence that the practice happens in the middle of an ordinary life rather than after it has been cleared away.
Which is a householder's instruction from a woman the tradition classifies as a renunciant, and it is the most usable thing in the Daya Bodh.
Vairagya and Its Counterfeit
Daya Bai's material is heavily about the worthlessness of the world, the decay of the body and the futility of what people are doing.
And that needs a section, because a large number of people reading it are not in a position to read it safely.
The distinction
Vairagya and depression describe the world in almost identical words and are completely different conditions.
They are not distinguishable by content. Both say the same things: this does not last, this is not worth what I am putting into it, the things people want are not going to satisfy them, I have been chasing something that was never there.
They are distinguishable by what they do to a person.
Vairagya releases energy
Somebody in whom this has genuinely happened generally becomes lighter.
They practise more. They give things away and are not distressed about it. They stop worrying about small slights. They are often funnier than they were, because a great deal of what used to have to be defended does not.
They sleep normally. They eat normally. They do their work. The detachment is from outcomes, not from life.
Depression removes energy
And the markers are specific and they are worth knowing because families miss them for years.
- Loss of interest and pleasure, including in things the person used to enjoy, which is the single most important sign
- Sleep disturbed, either not sleeping or sleeping far too much
- Appetite changed, in either direction, with weight following
- Concentration gone, so that reading, work and conversation become effortful
- Fatigue out of proportion to what is being done
- Worthlessness and guilt about oneself, which is the diagnostic difference from vairagya, because vairagya produces detachment from the world and depression produces contempt for the self
- Slowed movement and speech, or agitation
- Thoughts of death or of ending it
Two weeks of most of those, most of the day, is not a spiritual condition.
Why this matters specifically here
Because a depressed person reading Daya Bai will find confirmation.
Every line will land. The body is failing, the world is a fair that closes, what people want is worthless, nothing you build stays. And a person in a depressive episode will read that as insight rather than as symptom, and will feel understood, and will stop looking for help because a saint has told them they were right.
And the family will agree with them, because in Indian households a person who has become withdrawn and is reading devotional literature is described as having become spiritual, and that description ends the conversation.
The test, applied plainly
Vairagya makes you do things. Depression stops you doing things.
If reading this material is producing practice, generosity, reduced anxiety about status and a lighter relationship to what you cannot control, that is what it is for.
If it is producing withdrawal, stopping, not answering the phone, not washing, not eating, and a settled conviction that you personally are worthless, that is an illness and it is treatable and the material is not causing it but is not helping.
And a person can have both. A spiritual frame does not exclude a treatable illness, and the presence of genuine practice does not mean there is nothing wrong, and a great many serious practitioners have also needed treatment.
Where to go
- Tele MANAS 14416, free, all hours, in Indian languages
- A government hospital psychiatry department or the district mental health programme, where treatment costs little or nothing
- AASRA 9820466726, Vandrevala 9999666555, iCall 9152987821
- 112 if there is immediate danger, and the Gangasati entry in the previous batch sets out the rest
And the thing to say to the person
Not that their reading is wrong.
That the world being transient and them being ill are two separate facts, both of which can be true, and only one of which has a treatment.
Where to go, for her
- Charandas ki Bagichi, Delhi
- Charandasi centres in Rajasthan and Braj
What to read
- Vinay Malika first, because it is the lyric collection and is where she is best
- Daya Bodh for the instruction
- And read her next to Sahjo Bai, because the two of them together are a more complete picture than either alone, and because reading them separately is the small correction available to a reader for a two hundred year old imbalance
A daily practice from this entry
- Any name your household uses
- And Daya Bai's own emphasis, which is the householder's one: the practice goes in the middle of the day you already have, not in the one you are planning
The Short Version

Who: Daya Bai, eighteenth century, disciple of Charandas, and one of the two women who were his principal disciples, the other being Sahjo Bai. What is actually documented about her is almost nothing: we have her verses, the Charandasi tradition's statement that she was his disciple, and her being mentioned alongside Sahjo Bai in virtually every account of the panth. There is no birth date, no death date, no birthplace anybody agrees on, no family, no caste with certainty and no account of what she did between the events, with her origins variously placed in Braj, Rajasthan and the Delhi region and her relationship to Sahjo Bai reported as anything from sisters to unrelated fellow disciples. Everything anybody tells you confidently about her life is an inference.
The comparison: Sahjo Bai is always named first, in the tradition, the anthologies, the scholarship and the introductions, and Daya Bai frequently gets a paragraph where Sahjo gets a chapter. The reasons are not mysterious: Sahjo has a story, the wedding she walked out of being narratable in one sentence, she has the famous verse everybody can quote, and she has a documented relationship to Charandas as his niece which places her in a household. Daya Bai has verses, which is a great deal and is not a biography, and a figure with no biography loses to a figure with one every time regardless of what they wrote. The pattern is worth naming because it recurs: when a tradition remembers two women it remembers the one whose life makes a story and lets the other thin out into a name attached to a text, as this series has recorded with Panbai, with Salabega's mother and with the unnamed woman on the wall in the Krishnananda entry. The response is not to invent the missing biography but to read the text.
What she wrote: the Daya Bodh, her main work, a systematic instruction text of over a hundred verses; the Vinay Malika, a garland of supplication, which is the lyrical collection and is where the best of her is; and a body of pads in Braj Hindi with Rajasthani inflection.
How she differs from Sahjo: Sahjo argues and Daya grieves. Sahjo's famous verse is a ledger that sets out a case item by item and delivers a verdict, confident, slightly combative and occasionally funny. Daya's register is elegiac, her subject is transience, and she is not making an argument about it but looking at it. Her central image is the body coming apart, unflinchingly: the body is a house that will fall down, the teeth go, the eyes go, the strength goes, and what you are maintaining so carefully is going to be a heap and you know it and you are maintaining it anyway. She is not being morbid but accurate, in the way the tradition's vairagya literature is accurate. Her other recurring image is the world as a mela, loud and crowded with a great deal to look at, which closes, so that the stalls come down and by the following week the ground is empty, and the traveller who forgot they were at a fair and started building is the subject. She also writes about the condition of women, without special pleading and as observation: the woman whose life is spent in a house she does not own, the one who is daughter then wife then mother and was never asked, the one whose devotion has to fit into the hours after the work. Her instruction is the standard nirguna set with her own emphasis on satsang as the most decisive external factor, the name, the guru, not accumulating and doing it now, plus one thing more hers than Sahjo's: a repeated insistence that the practice happens in the middle of an ordinary life rather than after it has been cleared away.
Vairagya and its counterfeit: her material is heavily about the worthlessness of the world and the decay of the body, and a large number of people reading it are not in a position to read it safely. Vairagya and depression describe the world in almost identical words and are completely different conditions, not distinguishable by content since both say this does not last and the things people want will not satisfy them, but distinguishable by what they do to a person. Vairagya releases energy: the person becomes lighter, practises more, gives things away without distress, stops worrying about small slights, is often funnier, sleeps and eats normally and does their work, since the detachment is from outcomes rather than from life. Depression removes energy, and the markers are loss of interest and pleasure including in things the person used to enjoy, disturbed sleep either way, changed appetite either way, concentration gone, disproportionate fatigue, worthlessness and guilt about oneself which is the diagnostic difference since vairagya produces detachment from the world and depression produces contempt for the self, slowed movement or agitation, and thoughts of death. Two weeks of most of those, most of the day, is not a spiritual condition.
Why it matters here: a depressed person reading Daya Bai will find confirmation, every line will land, and they will read symptom as insight, feel understood and stop looking for help because a saint has told them they were right, while the family agrees because in Indian households a person who has become withdrawn and is reading devotional literature is described as having become spiritual, and that description ends the conversation. The test applied plainly is that vairagya makes you do things and depression stops you doing things. A person can have both, since a spiritual frame does not exclude a treatable illness. Tele MANAS 14416, a government hospital psychiatry department, AASRA 9820466726, Vandrevala 9999666555, iCall 9152987821, and 112 if there is immediate danger. And the thing to say is not that their reading is wrong but that the world being transient and them being ill are two separate facts, both of which can be true, and only one of which has a treatment.
What People Ask Most
Who was Daya Bai?+
An eighteenth century Hindi sant poet and a disciple of Charandas, one of the two women who were his principal disciples along with Sahjo Bai. Almost nothing about her is documented: we have her verses, the Charandasi tradition's statement that she was his disciple, and her being mentioned alongside Sahjo Bai in virtually every account of the panth, and that is the list. There is no agreed birth date, death date or birthplace, no family, no caste with certainty, and no account of her life between events, with her origins variously placed in Braj, Rajasthan and the Delhi region. She wrote the Daya Bodh, a systematic instruction text of over a hundred verses, the Vinay Malika, a lyrical collection which is where the best of her is, and a body of pads in Braj Hindi with Rajasthani inflection.
How is Daya Bai different from Sahjo Bai?+
Sahjo argues and Daya grieves. Sahjo Bai's famous verse is a ledger: it sets out a case item by item and delivers a verdict, and the tone is confident, slightly combative and occasionally funny. Daya Bai's register is elegiac, her subject is transience, and she returns to it constantly from every direction without making an argument about it, because she is looking at it. Her central image is the body coming apart, and she is unflinching: the body is a house that will fall down, the teeth go, the eyes go, the strength goes, and what you are maintaining so carefully is going to be a heap, and you know it, and you are maintaining it anyway. Her other recurring image is the world as a mela, loud and crowded with a great deal to look at, which closes, so the stalls come down and by the following week the ground is empty, and the traveller who forgot they were at a fair and started building is the subject.
Why is so little known about Daya Bai?+
Because she has verses and no story, and a figure with no biography loses to a figure with one every time regardless of what they wrote. Sahjo Bai is always named first, in the tradition, the anthologies, the scholarship and the introductions, and Daya Bai frequently gets a paragraph where Sahjo gets a chapter. The reasons are not mysterious: Sahjo has a wedding she walked out of, which is narratable in one sentence, she has the famous verse everybody in north India can quote, and she has a documented relationship to Charandas as his niece, which places her in a household. The pattern is worth naming because it recurs: when a tradition remembers two women, it remembers the one whose life makes a story and lets the other thin out into a name attached to a text, which this series has recorded with Panbai, who is named in fifty two bhajans and has no life at all, with Salabega's mother, who produced the poet and has no name anybody uses, and with the woman on the wall who was the model for the most reproduced sacred image in eastern India and whose name nobody wrote down. The response is not to invent the missing biography but to read the text.
What is the difference between vairagya and depression?+
They describe the world in almost identical words and are completely different conditions, so they are not distinguishable by content but by what they do to a person. Vairagya releases energy: somebody in whom it has genuinely happened generally becomes lighter, practises more, gives things away without distress, stops worrying about small slights, is often funnier than they were, sleeps and eats normally and does their work, because the detachment is from outcomes rather than from life. Depression removes energy, and the markers are specific: loss of interest and pleasure including in things the person used to enjoy, which is the single most important sign; disturbed sleep either way; changed appetite either way with weight following; concentration gone so that reading, work and conversation become effortful; fatigue out of proportion to what is being done; worthlessness and guilt about oneself, which is the diagnostic difference, since vairagya produces detachment from the world while depression produces contempt for the self; slowed movement and speech, or agitation; and thoughts of death. Two weeks of most of those, most of the day, is not a spiritual condition. The plain test is that vairagya makes you do things and depression stops you doing things.
Can reading vairagya literature make depression worse?+
It does not cause it, and it does not help. A depressed person reading Daya Bai will find confirmation: every line will land, because the body is failing, the world is a fair that closes, what people want is worthless and nothing you build stays. And a person in a depressive episode will read that as insight rather than as symptom, will feel understood, and will stop looking for help because a saint has told them they were right. The family will usually agree with them, because in Indian households a person who has become withdrawn and is reading devotional literature is described as having become spiritual, and that description ends the conversation. A person can have both, since a spiritual frame does not exclude a treatable illness, the presence of genuine practice does not mean nothing is wrong, and a great many serious practitioners have also needed treatment. Tele MANAS 14416 is free at all hours, a government hospital psychiatry department costs little or nothing, and AASRA is 9820466726, Vandrevala 9999666555 and iCall 9152987821, with 112 for immediate danger. The thing to say to the person is not that their reading is wrong but that the world being transient and them being ill are two separate facts, both of which can be true, and only one of which has a treatment.
What should I read of Daya Bai's first?+
The Vinay Malika, the garland of supplication, because it is the lyrical collection and is where she is at her best, and then the Daya Bodh for the systematic instruction. And read her next to Sahjo Bai, because the two of them together are a more complete picture than either alone, and because reading them separately rather than as a pair is the small correction available to a reader for a two hundred year old imbalance. Her most usable single emphasis, which is more hers than Sahjo's, is the repeated insistence that the practice happens in the middle of an ordinary life rather than after it has been cleared away, which is a householder's instruction from a woman the tradition classifies as a renunciant.
About the author
Pandit Ravindra Sharma · Vedic Rituals & Bhakti, 22+ years
Pandit Ravindra is the Vandnaa editorial team's resident specialist on aarti, chalisa, and daily devotion. He has performed home and temple pujas across Varanasi and Delhi for over two decades and contributes the bhakti-focused articles on this site.
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